So I got pulled over by a trooper on Christmas Eve...

"Reigntastic" (reigntastic) 12/26/2013 at 15:08 • Filed to: None

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I was driving along highway 6 in the right lane with cruise control set to 70, and I saw a trooper pull a u-turn as soon as he'd passed by me going the opposite direction. Immediately, I knew he was gunning for me, but I just kept my bearing and waited for the inevitable.

A few minutes passed, and I now had a trooper tailgating me in the right lane. This continued for about 5 miles until he decided it was time to turn on his lights. I immediately moved over onto the shoulder, and turned off my car after rolling down my window. He walks up to my car, and asked me if I knew why I'd been pulled over today. I dutifully responded no, at which point he pondered for a moment and responded it was because I had no front plate. After that he asked what was in my kennel in the passenger seat, and I pointed out it was my lovely cat Frank. He went to run my info, and after that was when things got interesting.

After coming back to my car, he began to probe into what else I might have in my car. "Do you have anything illegal in your car today?"

"No, sir."

"What else do you have in your vehicle?"

"Well, I've got my cat up front, and my backpack with my clothes in the trunk."

"Are you sure you don't have anything illegal in your car today? I'd like to take a look through—"

At this point I cut him off. I didn't have anything fun in my car at all, and I wasn't about to authorize an illegal search of my vehicle. "I will not consent to the search of my vehicle." I said, as I looked him dead in the eyes. After that, he was taken aback and said he had to go run some more information in his patrol car. I assume he was looking for an existing warrant, or something absurd like that. He came back a few minutes later, and asked me to step out of my car so we could talk off the side of the road. The request made sense, but that didn't prevent my heart from going into overdrive.

I stepped out, and went to go talk with him in front of his squad car, presumably in view of his dashcam. He had a few more probing questions for me (Where are you going, are you in school, etc), and then finally bit the bullet and dropped this line-

"So if you have nothing illegal in your car, why wouldn't you consent to a search?"

"Personally, Officer, I find it to be a constitutional issue. If you had a search warrant or probable cause, you wouldn't need my permission to search my vehicle, and I'd be happy to let you do so. Since you have neither, I'd really like to get back on the road and be on my way." Again, he said he'd like to go back to his car and get some information, and then he came back and told me I'd be getting a warning today, which I was quite honestly surprised by.

TL;DR: was subject to age profiling and an attempt to get me prison time, got away safely.

Aaron Brown > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:14

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Wow man. Where was this?

desertdog5051 > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:16

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Good for you.

dinobot666 > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:18

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Why did you mention prison time at the end? Did you have something illegal in your car then?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:20

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Had things gone further into lala-land, a "you're ruining my trip home for Christmas" appeal would, if not working, given you one hell of a sympathy mark on the dash-cam under review. Probably a good thing he didn't go *that* extra-legal.

Party-vi > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:20

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"Officer that's just catnip"

PRBot II > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:22

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This also warrants usage of the seriousclap.gif, but it gets used a lot.

You did awesome, and these kinds of stories are all too common. He tried talking to you like you're an idiot, but you handed his ass to him. Certain cops really seem to hate the Constitution, and I hate those cops.

CAR_IS_MI > dinobot666 12/26/2013 at 15:22

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There was 10 lbs of cat nip in the trunk. That's intent to sell and endanger all those cats!

POD > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:23

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Hats off to you! Very well done. This needs to be shared to front page.

PRBot II > POD 12/26/2013 at 15:24

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Agreed!

CAR_IS_MI > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:25

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I remember when I lived in a state that had a front plate law it was considered a secondary offence (or something like that, I forget the legal term) meaning they couldn't pull you over just for that, If you were speeding or they had some other probable cause to pull you over they could then tag you for the plate.

Seems like a similar situation here, where the cop pulled you over and threw the front plate excuse out (knowing he couldn't legally stick just that charge alone on you) while hoping to find a true reason to have pulled you over.

doodon2whls > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:25

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Nice job knowing your rights.

What was the warning for ? Speeding ?

If that's Frank in the lead image, I think we have his tuxedo-wearing twin...

Reigntastic > Aaron Brown 12/26/2013 at 15:28

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Highway 6, in Texas.

Reigntastic > dinobot666 12/26/2013 at 15:29

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Nothing illegal, he was just trying to see if I did, so his intent wasn't too good for me.

Reigntastic > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/26/2013 at 15:30

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I didn't honestly go for any emotional appeal, just kept it brief and polite.

Reigntastic > PRBot II 12/26/2013 at 15:31

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Yeah, I'd done enough research to know how to respond to certain questions. I didn't feel like having him rifling through my belongings for half an hour while I freeze my butt off on the side of a highway.

Reigntastic > CAR_IS_MI 12/26/2013 at 15:32

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Yeah, it seemed like an excuse at the time. Honestly I won't be putting one on for this, either. Not drilling on my pristine 20 year old bumper.

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:32

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I'd be scared out of my bajeezus if that happened to me and probably just break down and consent to the search lol. Good for you! I was expecting the cop to flip out or something.

dinobot666 > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:33

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Understood. Thanks for the clarification. It's strange that we feel compelled to make notice of our constitutional rights when they're trampled on with such great regularity.

You did right by showing the officer you knew your rights, but I'd be scared to do that same thing. I guess that's how a lot of police officers use subtle intimidation to get their way. It's really quite sad.

Reigntastic > doodon2whls 12/26/2013 at 15:33

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Warning was just for not having a front plate. That is indeed Frank, he's a great cat.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:34

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Granted. Politeness is the best starting point, but emotional appeal would have been valid in the failure of that.

Reigntastic > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 12/26/2013 at 15:35

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He definitely seemed to be a bit miffed that I told him no, but he wasn't rude. Just pushy.

J. Walter Weatherman > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:35

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Sounds like you did everything exactly right. As a lawyer, the advice I always give to people about traffic stops is: (1) above all else, be polite to the cop, and (2) stick up for all of your rights, you have nothing whatsoever to gain by consenting to a search.

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:36

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So, what's with age profiling? How old are you?

PRBot II > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:36

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And I'm sure we've all heard those stories of cops that rip up the car's interior, either personally or having the K-9 do it... and still find nothing. They don't give a crap.

Hats off to you, sir. Here's to hoping this post gets shared to Jalopnik.

CAR_IS_MI > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:36

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One of my favorite NV laws is the law on front plates essentially stating that a front plate is required only if there is a manufacturer installed front plate bracket. Neither my Audi or my Jeep came with a bracket (even though there is plenty of space and an available dealer installed option) so I haven't had to run a front plate.

Reigntastic > dinobot666 12/26/2013 at 15:39

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It's something I'm really big on, personal beliefs-wise. It's the first time I've even been asked about a search out of the few other times I've been pulled over.

Reigntastic > J. Walter Weatherman 12/26/2013 at 15:40

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It's sad that the police in these situations really aren't there to help you. Making that realization is a game-changer.

Reigntastic > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 12/26/2013 at 15:40

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I'm 19, so I'm quite young. I was also dressed well, and driving a sports car, so I'm probably a coke dealer.

Reigntastic > PRBot II 12/26/2013 at 15:42

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I'd be mortified to have an officer desecrating my car. All the more likely since he wouldn't have found anything in my belongings, so clearly I had it stashed somewhere else in the vehicle.

Aaron James > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:42

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You handled it the right way, From what I've heard, most times they are very successful at talking you into abandoning your right against search and seizure. "Since there's nothing in there you wouldn't mind me taking a quick look so we can get you out of here right away"

Reigntastic > CAR_IS_MI 12/26/2013 at 15:43

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My dad has been lobbying Texas to get rid of their law for years, with no success. Even went ahead and calculated how much money the state would save yearly if they only required a rear plate. Legislate morality.

Reigntastic > Aaron James 12/26/2013 at 15:44

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That's pretty much exactly how he worded it, too. I recognized very quickly that he was being duplicitous with his questions.

J. Walter Weatherman > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:44

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Yeah, and another shocking thing about those situations is how successful it is for police to use those tactics. The amount of people that have contraband in their car, yet consent to a search anyway is simply staggering.

Reigntastic > J. Walter Weatherman 12/26/2013 at 15:44

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Only break one law at a time was always my motto.

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:45

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Oh you're being sarcastic? Shit I thought you actually did deal coke. I'll show myself out

Reigntastic > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 12/26/2013 at 15:46

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Noooo, I work an 8-5 desk job, far less exciting :)

Sarcasm tags always take some of the fun out of my humor.

Aaron James > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:47

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Oh yeah, they've got it down pat.

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:49

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I was being sarcastic too haha

Aaron James > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 15:49

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The goal is to make you think the easiest and quickest way out of this uncomfortable situation is just go ahead and let them take a quick peek, which no doubt turns into a 2 hour search, removing each item from your car. Then when finished, have a nice day and enjoy putting your stuff back in your car.

Reigntastic > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 12/26/2013 at 15:50

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woosh.

Reigntastic > Aaron James 12/26/2013 at 15:51

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Ain't nobody got time for that.

Cebu > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 16:06

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You did exactly what any American should do in the situation.

PatBateman > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 16:09

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I live off of 6 in Fort Bend County. I also make the run between Hempstead and CS about once per year.

I DO NOT speed on that road. Too many troopers prowling.

ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 16:11

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What were you driving?

oldirtybootz > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 16:12

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I still shit my pants every time I get pulled over, wether I have anything on me or not. Kudos to you for having a pair and not consenting to a time wasting search.

Oh, and Frank is adorable.

Reigntastic > PatBateman 12/26/2013 at 16:14

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I wasn't even speeding, I just looked like fresh meat, I guess.

Reigntastic > ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper 12/26/2013 at 16:16

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My '93 MR2 Turbo.

Reigntastic > oldirtybootz 12/26/2013 at 16:16

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Thanks!

Clown Shoe Pilot > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 16:18

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it's got nothing to do w/ legislating morality. cops just like having a chickenshit reason to pull people over and go fishing.

leicester > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 16:20

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I thought he was going to ding you for an unlicensed pet. ha.

Anyway, way to keep your cool and be aware of your rights.

ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 16:23

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lol you were asking for it then. Got to get something a little less obvious, Im invisible to the average observer. (love the MR2 though, def a JDM favorite of mine)

Reigntastic > ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper 12/26/2013 at 16:36

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Yeah, the car definitely isn't subtle. It's small, and that's about it. It came from the factory in that same color red, otherwise I'd normally like something slightly more subdued.

Got pulled over more in my black jetta wolfsburg edition, though. Doesn't get more subtle than that.

ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 16:39

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lol VR? cause that would explain why. or tints.

Reigntastic > ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper 12/26/2013 at 16:40

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VR? No tint.

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 17:02

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I wasn't about to authorize an illegal search of my vehicle.

If you authorize it, then it isn't very illegal. Quite the contrary.

Where is highway 6? What's the posted speed limit along this stretch?

ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 17:02

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VR6 motor. If you had one you know lol. Nothing sounds like one.. Strange you got targeted more though. Ive been stopped twice, both cause I merged to quick, never passed the speed limit tho, each time they wanted to know what the rush was, and why my wagon was making so much noise idling lol. Never ticketed though. I can only imagine what they and eveyone else thinks of my "station wagon". Got a wicked exhaust leak at the moment so is way louder then it used to be. I have replacement downpipes but ive been lazy. lol

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > CAR_IS_MI 12/26/2013 at 17:05

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A missing front plate on a vehicle requiring 2 is enough reason for a traffic stop in PLENTY of states.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 17:06

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Had the same thing happen to me in college, cop kept insisting I just come "clean". Good for you for standing your ground.

CAR_IS_MI > V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! 12/26/2013 at 17:07

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Again, like I said, in the state I grew up in this was considered a secondary offence. Not saying it is true in every state, because laws vary from state to state, just saying this MAY have been the case in this specific instance.

Reigntastic > V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! 12/26/2013 at 17:08

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Highway 6 is in Texas, I was north of CS. Posted limit is 70.

Otherwise, you are correct.

Reigntastic > ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper 12/26/2013 at 17:10

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Ah, no. Mine came with the TSI, it was a 2010. I like fast wagons, it's a cool vehicle.

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > CAR_IS_MI 12/26/2013 at 17:11

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Possibly. Might explain why it took 5 miles for the stop to be initiated....

conrader > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 17:11

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I was once followed out of the town I used to live in by a state trooper (to which I responded with following the speed limit to a T) and was subsequently pulled over for "erratic driving". I did consent to a search and he also gave me a field sobriety test (stone sober and not on any type of legal or illegal medication). I passed the test, and the search. The guy called for backup and left me outside in the cold, handcuffed on the side of the road. I was 19 at the time and about 160 lbs (6' tall) so I'm not terribly intimidating at this point. I was on my best behavior for the whole time, and also freaking the fuck out on the inside. Once the backup got there he gave the initial officer a funny look and removed the handcuffs and apologized to me. He then walked over to the officer and told him he needed to let me leave since the first guy decided to go though my car for a second time. I was in the freezing cold for over and hour handcuffed for doing nothing but being 19.. Some of these guys are scary with all the power they have over normal people.

Reigntastic > conrader 12/26/2013 at 17:13

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Yeah, I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that.

Dsscats > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 17:16

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Here's mine!

Reigntastic > Dsscats 12/26/2013 at 17:19

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#Catlopnik

dogisbadob > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 18:01

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I gotta ask, are you black? Cops do like pulling over people like that.

Why don't you have a front plate? If it's required, it's required.

NoahthePorscheGuy > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 18:17

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What an asshat. At least he let you go. I can't believe he said "are you sure you don't have anything illegal" as if he could guilt you into changing your previous answer lol.

VincentMalamute-Kim > dogisbadob 12/26/2013 at 19:09

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He's not black. You know this because he got the warning without first getting a beating after being tasered.

Front plates are required where I live but I don't run them. The Audi because it's too nice to ruin the lines with a front plate. The 1991 minivan because I'm too lazy to dig up a front plate and besides I've never been stopped or hassled for not having it. Because I'm not black! If I was black, I think I would run front plates.

VincentMalamute-Kim > Cebu 12/26/2013 at 19:10

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well... what any American who is not black should do in that situation.

(since I'm on this topic)

dogisbadob > VincentMalamute-Kim 12/26/2013 at 19:16

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Fair enough!

aquila121 > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 20:16

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I am amazed at your on-the-spot ability to eloquently and calmly respond why it's not incriminating or disrespectful to decline consent to a search. I'd have been unable to think of such a great response on my own, but if I'm ever in this situation, I'll try to follow your example. Good for you.

Reigntastic > dogisbadob 12/26/2013 at 20:21

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No, I'm white.

Reigntastic > NoahthePorscheGuy 12/26/2013 at 20:21

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I was pretty offended by that too, I'm clean as a whistle.

Reigntastic > aquila121 12/26/2013 at 20:23

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Thank you very much. There's lots of great videos on youtube about how to talk to an officer, I'd definitely recommend watching them.

Frank Grimes > Reigntastic 12/26/2013 at 21:40

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If it was a dog he probably just let you go right off. Discrimination.

Gizmo - The Only Good Gremlin, but don't feed me after Midnight > VincentMalamute-Kim 12/26/2013 at 23:58

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O.K. a little off topic, but you started it. About 10 years ago, I was on I-35South heading to Austin from OKC just past Hillsboro and as usual there's traffic and some construction. Some idiot in front of me in a pickup is doing 50MPH in the left lane for 30 miles. I tried everything from flashing my lights to honking my horn, to pulling beside him on the right and waving to get him to let me by. In the end, I finally passed him with little to no room to spare and resumed my 70MPH usual speed. About 5 minutes after I pulled into Waco to gas up, an old scruffy white guy pulls up to my bumper at the gas pump (it was the guy that wouldn't let me pass), jumps out of his truck and proceeds to cuss me out. Somewhere in there he states he's a County Police and has the right to arrest me. (Here's where we tie it all back in to your post and the OP).

I looked around me and there were all these young black college kids on their way back to school and all were watching this happen. Keeping this car related - I was in my 500SL with the top down and I'm a 40+years old black man. If I had let this continue, I felt it would have deleterious effects on their self-worth. So I stood up straight and tall as a career Air Force Officer would, held out my hands palms up and open, used my Command voice and told him, "You can arrest me now, or you can shut the F#$% up and walk away; anything else and I will call the local police myself and file assault charges." He was dumbfounded, stood there silent for what seemed like a minute, and everyone in the gas station went silent, too. As he turned and walked away, the crowd roared (I never noticed the crowd forming and it took all the remaining strength within me to maintain my composure); I nonchalantly finished pumping my gas and went on my way with my head and my heart 10 times their normal size ;).

Knowing your rights is the first step to declaring your Liberty. The beauty of standing up for your rights is others will see you standing and stand up as well. "Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.”

"No man is above the law, and no man is below it.”
 Theodore Roosevelt

SteyrTMP > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 02:00

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Sounds like Ohio... Although I don't get pulled over for missing plates. None of my cars have front plates. The Subie is too new to justify it, the Seven has nowhere to put one, and the other Subie... well, I just have an issue with mandatory front plates. I think I've been chewed out for not having front plates twice, maybe. Neither time have I been ticketed for it.

Now, I have had been handcuffed and had the car searched before, without my permission, but that's another story...

Burrito de EJ25 > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 03:01

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It's pretty neat that peace officers, rather than make us feel safe, intimidate us.

liquid_popcorn > dogisbadob 12/27/2013 at 08:54

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I didn't run a front plate on my Cherokee Sport (96, 4.0, AX5!) for the longest time because no front plate bracket and perfect bumper. After a friend got a fixit ticket for $95 for the same offence I just ziptied the second plate to the bumper.

My GTI has a tow hook-mounted plate bracket, but a lot of the other GTI/Golf R guys I work with don't have a front plate. It ruins the lines of the car.

liquid_popcorn > Gizmo - The Only Good Gremlin, but don't feed me after Midnight 12/27/2013 at 08:55

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Excellent story.

Roberto G. > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 08:56

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If you don't mind, how you do a repost?

Jeff-God-of-Biscuits > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 08:56

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crisis avoided.

Reigntastic > Roberto G. 12/27/2013 at 09:00

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I viewed my post, and pressed the button in the top right corner of my screen next to the star button. Select what subforum you want to post to, input title and text, and post.

Roberto G. > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 09:00

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Thanks!

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 09:11

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Wow, what an asshole. What kind of clue did he have to assume you must have been carrying something illegal, or going to, I dunno, kill someone?

Would it be possible to sue for damage if they get to search and screw up the interior?

jariten1781 > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 09:12

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Got pulled over so many times on that road it's not even funny. At least 15 times in 4 years. Never once got a ticket. Young and driving a loud coupe just makes you a target.

The cops never asked for a search. Multiple times they said they pulled me over for 'weaving within a lane' which I suppose was a catch all to get you pulled over. I don't think they're looking to arrest folks, it's just a revenue generation scheme.

Tom McParland > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 09:27

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No issue here...but I'm just speaking for myself. It was a good post and worth sharing again for those that missed it.

Clown Shoe Pilot > VincentMalamute-Kim 12/27/2013 at 09:43

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I disagree. Black people can and SHOULD do this too. Rolling over for the police just encourages them.

Reigntastic > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 12/27/2013 at 10:04

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My car is really clean and organized on the interior, and I don't smoke inside my car, so there really wasn't anything for him to base his assumption off of.

I'm not sure if you're able to sue for damages, I'd have to ask a lawyer.

Reigntastic > jariten1781 12/27/2013 at 10:05

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I wish they'd do something useful with their time, like prevent crime.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 10:51

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Mine's the same way, it almost has that new car smell, even after 18 years in the family... And I usually don't carry anything at all, aside from a logbook, university ID card, car papers, and a few CDs, so there's nothing to look for here.

Reigntastic > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 12/27/2013 at 10:54

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I don't have a current interior shot of my car since I replaced my head unit. I'll have to take one tonight. Very clean looking car though, looks great.

SonorousSpeedJoe > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 10:58

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I saw this yesterday. Looks like you handled it correctly.

I'll admit that I'm not as well-acquainted with my rights as I should be for situations like this, but I think I have heard about cops twisting refusal to a search into probable cause. I'm glad you were let go in this case, though.

Roundbadge > SteyrTMP 12/27/2013 at 11:01

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In (I think) 2002 I got stopped for no front plate on my '99 Dakota. The fine gentleman from the Ohio State Highway Patrol took that opportunity to ticket me for not wearing my seat belt (whatever...I deserved that), but at least waived the no-front-plate ticket. I had purchased the truck like a week earlier and there was no front plate bracket. I figured not having that front plate would attract unwanted attention in the future, so I badgered the dealer I bought the truck from into putting the front plate bracket on. I certainly don't blame anyone for not wanting to ruin the lines of their car....but it's hard to make a '99 Dakota look measurably worse with a license plate bracket.

Reigntastic > SonorousSpeedJoe 12/27/2013 at 11:01

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Right to refusal of search is constitutionally guaranteed, fortunately. So if you just happened to have contraband that was seized due to a search that was only justified through a refusal as probable cause, that evidence would be forfeited in court.

SonorousSpeedJoe > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 11:13

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I see, thanks. I wouldn't ever expect to be in a situation where I have contraband in my car, but this is a hassle anyhow.

conrader > Reigntastic 12/27/2013 at 12:29

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Because you're smart, well done on how you dealt with everything. I wish I'd had been so clear-headed as to do what you did!

Reigntastic > conrader 12/27/2013 at 13:48

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It's seriously tough though, tons of adrenaline going during moments like those. I'm even surprised I remained composed.

DarkGemini > Clown Shoe Pilot 12/27/2013 at 15:35

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This black person usually does, however it's with the understanding that there's an extremely high likelihood that things aren't going to go my way when I assert my rights.

See: NYPD Stop and Frisk